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TODD BONNEWELL: Good morning, everybody.

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I'm going to get started.

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My name is Todd with MadeOpen.com.

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Is the sound all right out there.?

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Yeah?

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All right.

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It looks like our chairs didn't meet their expectations with the number

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of people, but I appreciate everybody coming

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out this morning, and I'm going to get started

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by talking about capitalism.

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Why we have it, what the need for it is, and what we need to do as a people

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to to move forward in a direction that makes

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a little more sense to to everybody here and everyone we

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know and love.

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So to get started, basically capitalism and government

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are just two systems that we as people created.

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This is nothing that we were we happened

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to be born with, it but it was nothing that was here

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before we got here.

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We as people created these systems and why do we create systems?

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Well, we have a need.

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We have several needs, and we solve problems

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through systems.

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It's the way we think.

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And through time, these systems have been created,

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capitalism, through the market solves problems,

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there's study on capitalism and markets and supply and demand,

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but I'm looking here at more of a fundamental fundamental need

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for these systems, and what I see is that markets solve people's problems

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and when markets can't solve somebody's problem, that's well,

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that's where we create governments.

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Governments step in to take care of the problems that markets cannot

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or do not solve.

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Well why wouldn't a market solve a problem?

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If we look at capitalism, we can see the answer to this is pretty evident,

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where capitalism being defined as a socioeconomic system,

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where goods and services are produced for profit, we see right there,

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that the very definition of capitalism is for profit.

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If corporations don't see profit, they don't do business there.

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So we continue to have problems that

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the market doesn't solve.

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So we need other systems and we create governments

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and problems.

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Let's not try if we can all agree here, and please, we'll stop right now,

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if anybody you know, and we have a discussion.

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If anybody doesn't agree to some level, corporations don't control

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the government, that's a I mean, that's a fundamental assumption that

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I'm making is that we can agree that

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without corporations, governments will act a little more efficiently, and

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a lot of the problems that we have created

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by these two systems are problems that are not people problems.

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These are problems that have been given to us by these institutions.

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So to say it's not to say that we don't need government

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or their systems are bad.

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These are systems that we created to solve these problems.

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So what I want to do is fundamentally get at what do we

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as people, what do we want?

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What do we need?

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What are we looking to do?

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You know, we have these systems but these are old systems.

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You know, these are these are systems that are

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great, great relatives, you know, created at some point in time

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to solve a problem.

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Corruption is entered over time, and but, again, I would try

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to stay away from those topics of corruption

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because if we can just agree that we can attack capitalism here, and play

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the game of capitalism, that some of the government things will those

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will shake themselves out and we won't have

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to focus our attention there and some problems will just disappear.

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And, so what I want to talk about is the is our problems.

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What do we have as problems as people.

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We have needs.

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We have desires excuse me, we have fundamental needs

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and desires, food, clothing, shelter.

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We have needs of safety which enters

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in the whole idea of currency.

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What is currency, but just a futures of something that you want or need.

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If you didn't want or need anything in the future,

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you certainly wouldn't have a need for currency.

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So I want us to start thinking about where are we going.

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Because I don't think many people are asking that question.

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We are all caught up in our day to day stuff and our heads are

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down and we work extremely long hours and, you know,

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what does this give us in the end?

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Where are we going?

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And if we lift our heads up for a second, where do we want to be?

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And we have to make the simple assumption that we're

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automating more and more and more stuff.

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And when that stuff gets automated, down this path that we are headed

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down now, with our heads down, we eventually get that pink slip,

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we get laid off.

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Automation, it will solve our problems

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but not our problems at this rate.

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What we have in the end, we have fully automated corporations.

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We have several people standing outside of these corporations saying,

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we want your goods or services, and the corporations are saying, yeah,

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remember that costs money.

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And we say, well, we don't have any jobs anymore.

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And the point is, not to have that discussion.

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The point is to say, forget that discussion.

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Let's talk about what we want and need, assuming we will automate everything.

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Because I think that's a simple assumption to make that

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at some point in the future, whether it's 5 or 500 years,

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that we're going to fully automate everything.

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So if we think about that, as a people and say, okay,

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how do we control that automation?

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Because clearly, the way we're doing it now

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is not going to result in the people owning this automation.

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So and, again, down that path, nothing I don't believe anything good

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I mean, we can talk for an hour about how we take this thing back,

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when everything is fully automated and whether it's redistribution

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or wealth, all the revolution, everything that could possibly happen,

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let's not get there.

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Let's be smarter than the people before us.

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Right?

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Because after all, isn't this really about the future.

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Isn't this about our children and our children's children?

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At the end of the day, I'm not working so that my bank

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account can be a certain size so that my kids smile

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when I die saying, oh, good, I got some money.

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I'm looking to make this place better.

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I'm looking to make this place better in some substantial ways.

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So what would a system look like?

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What would everyone here be happy with?

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And that's a you know, we're really talking some ideologies

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and to me, the most simple answer to that question is to ask people,

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what do you want and need?

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And what are you willing or able to do?

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Now, with these two questions, these are fundamental questions

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and I don't think, you know, good or bad people it's not

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the answers don't have to be the same, but the questions.

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It's that those questions fundamentally resonate with people no matter,

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what because it's about them.

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It's about the individual.

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It's not about the entire collective.

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We are asking you, what do you want and need?

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Just tell us, because I mean I would certainly rather

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be working in the sim where I knew what people

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want and needed and these things were measurable.

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And then the other side of it is, what are you willing or table to do?

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Now, we have not automated everything yet.

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So we do have to live in this in this world that we that we still live in,

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where not everything is automated.

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So what do we do?

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We need to figure out a way to still solve problems,

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up until the point of automation.

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But, again, it's to get the it's to get that vision.

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It's to get that collective vision that says, okay,

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we know there's this point we want to reach, where everything

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is automated and we just kind of get everything that we need,

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and we can kind of focus on whatever we want

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because everything is automated.

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So we can do whatever we want to do.

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So it's not to really focus on what that vision would look

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like out there, but to say what its fundamental

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requirements would be.

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And I believe two fundamental columns, wants and needs and what

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they are willing and able to do.

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When people are willing and able to do, people are able to do amazing things.

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We are not at a loss for people doing amazing things.

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We are at a loss for direction.

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We are at a loss for people doing amazing thins

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because they are doing them because they get the self benefit,

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not the benefit of humanity.

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So if we look at those things, how what are these things.

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What are these things that we can how do we arrange these things that we

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want and need.

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And I believe to have that discussion, we need to be talking

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about the only resource in human history that

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is not been able to be controlled by force.

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So you can't physically control data like you can physically control oil

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or land or water.

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So we're constantly creating this resource called data and we don't stop

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creating this resource.

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This resource, we continue to create and we don't create it

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in a static way, in a linear fashion in growth.

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It is exponential.

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You know, what else are we going to be collecting?

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It's not just data like location and pictures.

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This is medical information.

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I mean, we're at the macro level, there's not really a lot to collect.

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We have we keep collecting more and more about ourselves, but why?

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What are we going to do with all of this data?

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Well, it's not us that's doing anything with that data that's that's productive,

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that's corporations and we're just getting a glimpse in what we are

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all about and into what we do and they are already calling it big data.

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What's next?

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After big data, what comes?

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Huge data?

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It just doesn't it's not something that it should be big data small.

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It should be big data personal, right?

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And we have a lot of talk about data these days and I want

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to take a take a few minutes right now to talk

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about what data is, because there's a lot of talk

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about data privacy, but there's one thing that

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is assumed when the word "data privacy" comes

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out of somebody's mouth.

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They have assumed you don't own your data because the conversation that

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ends all conversations about data privacy

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is the conversation about data ownership.

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You know, they are not on CNN and Fox talking

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about data privacy, where, you know, what do the people do with this?

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How do they control it?

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It is in the peoples.

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It's theirs.

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It's the corporation's.

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It's their data.

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It's not our data because if it was our data we wouldn't

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need to talk about privacy.

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We don't talk about, oh, geez, I hope the mortgage broker that sold me this

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house doesn't come in the house and make himself a sandwich

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in the middle of the night.

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We have certain things that we have to assume that we have the rights

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to and that privacy, through ownership is one of them.

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And if we're not assuming that we have those rights, then we have you know,

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there's much bigger issues.

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Those are personal liberties and these are personal freedoms.

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These are simple terms of use and we need

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to refocus on ownership.

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So, what is data?

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We have this notion of data being video, pictures, audio,

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texts, yet we have four data types and we have thousands of services,

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all this to share four data types.

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Does that make any sense to anybody here,

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that we have thousands of services that your data

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is spread over at least tens of services per person here,

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where your data is all over the place but you only have four data types.

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It makes absolutely no sense to me.

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I mean, I understand why and the definition of data I think,

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will clarify that in a few different ways.

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Those four data types I talk about, that's not all data.

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That's all of what we store as data or past data and I believe there's three

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tenses when it comes to data.

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You have past, present and future.

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And I don't to my knowledge, there's nobody talking

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about three tenths of data and the reason is your past data

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is what you as a person, you feel this emotional attachment

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to your past data because that's what you did.

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That's where you were.

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That's what you know, those are pictures and I'm

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the same way.

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And that's very valuable to us.

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But at the same time, we understand as a people that it's more important

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to live in the moment, that right now is more important than what happened

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last week, but we still want that stuff.

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We still need that stuff.

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And our present data is called our attention.

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So if I have your attention now, I have your most valuable form of data.

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You might want to believe that your pictures

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of the past are worth more, but right now, this

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is all that makes a purchasing decision, when a corporation looks at data.

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It's your attention.

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It's the only thing that makes that click happen, because if a pop up comes

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up and a better deal appeals, that transaction is gone.

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The attention has never met your future data, which is your intention

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to do something.

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With these three tenses of data, past, present and future, what are these

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to a corporation?

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How do they value them?

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And I will use Facebook as an example, just because they are the biggest

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and I don't like them very much.

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They are basically allowing you to put your past data somewhere.

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This is a very inexpensive resource to store.

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We all know this.

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But why would they store something for us?

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It's so that we come back, right?

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So our intention is to come back, so that they have our attention.

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And when you see when these three different things, when you start

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to look in your daily lives and figure out,

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what are these three tenses of data, how do they apply to me?

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I'm a data creator and that's the way we need to look at it.

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These are data points that don't exist without people.

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If you create your own data, past, present and future, how do we do it?

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How do we manage it?

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Facebook, they certainly have all of them do.

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They want your data for the sole reason that you

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will come back.

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If you don't have the intent to come back, that's it.

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Their value is gone.

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You know, if everybody had no intention

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to return to Facebook tomorrow, what would the stock do?

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It would have little to no value because it's about people's intention.

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And people don't realize the value of this intention.

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That's where I really want to focus our efforts,

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is on capturing your intent and your attention in order

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to compete in this game that we have inherited.

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I believe that we can compete within capitalism,

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to have companies that are run by people, that create automated things

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that do automated things that play in the market.

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But in the end, their responsible to the people.

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Because that's not what we have now.

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And we all know this and, you know, we have government officials telling us

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that we can't get anything done here.

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We can't do anything.

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And we as the people say, well, that's your job,

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but they say that's injure job as a people to direct us.

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So we're at this standstill.

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Where nobody knows what to do.

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We have too many you know, I see at the midpoint of my life,

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I see I look back and see the generations coming

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and these some are smart people.

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And I believe that I already need I feel like I already need to get

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out of the way and one of the biggest problems we have

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in corporations, it's greed, and the inability to get things

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out of the way and let it progress.

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It's an older generation.

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We evolve as people.

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So what we need to do, we need to take this back, and we can do this

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by concentrating and focusing on this resource called data that, again,

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nobody is stopping us from diverting our attention

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from somewhere else.

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No be is stopping us from saying, I'm not going to Facebook anymore.

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Nobody is stopping us.

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That's capitalism.

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All I'm saying is we have technology.

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We have this cloud technology that can provide some incredible value.

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You know, when I first saw a cloud offering, I couldn't believe it.

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I said, why even try to compete?

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Why to create products or services anymore,

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because they're just weak incremental steps.

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It is a new way to share a picture.

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Now, yeah, great, there's power there, I can you know, you look

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at the power of the cloud and the storage and the computing

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and it's it's absolutely amazing.

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And what I believe we need to do, is just take and tone it back

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and make it personal.

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We talk about a personal cloud here.

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Just imagine a personal cloud is all the power of a cloud for you.

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So now you have that unbelievable computing power at your fingertips.

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You know, and we a lot of us have already seen this.

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We understand, but it's about getting people behind it.

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We are thought leaders these days.

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You know?

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Geeks used to not be thought leaders, right?

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Now we are.

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Now we dictate what comes, what happens, you know, smartphones,

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50% US adoption of the smartphone in five years.

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That's amazing.

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We did that.

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Not corporations.

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It was people.

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So if we concentrate on taking our data and owning it,

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through any means, such a person such as a personal cloud,

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we can start to really look at what our intentions are, excuse me.

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What our intentions are and what our attention

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is and how we move things forward.

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So this personal cloud, if you think about it,

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from the perspective of communication, is a great is a great introduction

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to the personal cloud.

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When a telemarketer calls me, instead of getting my phone, Twilio

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will route it to my personal cloud and it will say, geez, look it

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up in my contact list and say this person

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is not known by you.

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And when that happens, I haven't been notified yet.

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There's no need for me to be notified yet.

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My personal cloud handles it and it immediately puts this person

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into a queue that says if you are willing

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to if you are interested in talking to Todd, he's available and his time

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is worth $15 a minute and here's the credit card account.

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So the information can be taken and I get paid for my time.

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It doesn't matter what that attention is.

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I gave an example of a phone call as being a way

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to put our attention on something.

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But it's anything.

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It's a it's YouTube.

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Like, why do we get interrupted with commercials?

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That's so it just doesn't even make sense.

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Like you irritate the consumer, the advertiser doesn't get their value

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out of it.

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Just show 'em all to me at one time.

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I don't need to be interrupted.

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These things are you know, this is us taking back our attention.

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This is us putting forth better technology

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for people, for corporations, to still compete,

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but we slowly grab back some of this attention and intention.

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Intention is very powerful, because if we knew what everybody

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wants and needs, that's their intention.

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If we knew what we wanted and needed we could deliver on it

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and we can deliver on it in a much better way than

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the market currently delivers on it.

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These companies guessing at what we need and these companies

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competing to create products that are ultimately

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the same, but they're all terrible, because one has got the best screen,

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one's got the best keyboard, one's got the best radio, and in the end,

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you don't have a full solid product

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because you have ten genius scientists trying to create the next best screen.

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All competing against each other.

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None of them sharing any of their information, and then

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the winner these genius scientists have to go off and figure

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out different ways to solve the problem.

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That doesn't sound like innovation to me.

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That sounds like inefficiency.

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And what I'm saying is if we just need one screen.

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I don't need one screen for a smartphone, one screen

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for whatever it is.

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I don't need any more than that.

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But corporations, you know, through patents and trademarks,

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they have to they have to do it this way.

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This is the game they play.

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Right?

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And I'm just saying, enough is enough.

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We're sick of playing your game.

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It's not fun.

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It creates problems.

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If you look at the problems of people, you have simple things.

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When you look at the problems that corporations

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and governments create, this is war!

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This is genocide.

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This is terrorism!

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These are not nice problems and these are problems that we

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as people inherit from systems that we created.

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It doesn't make any sense to me.

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I mean, maybe I'm nuts but, you know, I'm here talking to you people

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because this again, you are the thought leaders out here.

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You are the people that are going to take these messages back

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to your friends and to your family and pass it along.

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We are trying to do something.

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At MadeOpen.com, what we are trying to do

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is we are trying MadeOpen.com is me.

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It's one person.

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And I'm not afraid to admit it and I work for you.

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That's it.

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Who else works for you?

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I'm trying to figure out what point out into the future we need to get to,

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and I want feedback.

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This is why I'm here.

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I'm trying to figure out where we get to, and then how we get there.

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And then within my lifetime, make as much progress as I can

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to that end because then at least this way, I can tell my kids, hey,

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I tried.

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Right?

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Sorry, the world sucks but I tried.

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I didn't just, you know, do what a lot of people do, go to work every day

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and hope things get better.

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Hope somebody is out there working for me.

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So I'm looking for people to work with me.

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I'm looking for ideas and I and it's not over.

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I want to talk a little bit more about the personal cloud and what

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the benefits of that, because I believe that fundamentally,

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I'm here to talk about the direction and I believe the personal cloud

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is the first way in which we change that.

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Because, again, with a personal cloud, that's your data.

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That's your control.

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So we just solved the problem of privacy,

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by instituting one simple technology so that you can put all of your stuff

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in one place, see it how you want to see it.

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So I will give a couple of examples of what we can do

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with a personal cloud.

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First of all, I believe security becomes

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a much easier issue.

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If somebody at Facebook tries to log into ten times into my account,

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guessing passwords.

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I don't know what Facebook's policy is, but I know what my policy

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is and I know what your policy would be.

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And that's more important than what anybody else's policy S.

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as soon as you start controlling your data you make these decisions.

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You control what happens when somebody comes in.

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To your personal cloud.

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Right?

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And this is a personal cloud, it's just an abstract idea.

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There's people abstract idea.

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It's an abstract idea of sharing stuff.

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You have four data types.

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And all of these services, they're spread

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across and that right there, you know this whole API revolution we

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are seeing, it's not because companies want

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to share their data, right, their data, not your data.

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They don't want to share their data with their competition.

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These are grown men, who can't make an agreement.

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Right?

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These are it's crazy, but it's the world we live in,

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and these APIs are supposed to give us more access.

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It's neat because, yes, we can do some cool stuff.

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What if it was in one place.

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What if all of your data set in one location?

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What could you do with it then?

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You could do some amazing things because now all of your data can talk

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to each other and it's not about today.

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You know, today we live in this moment, where we think, wow,

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look at all of this data we are collecting, right?

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The location data, you know, movement data, it's it's going

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to get smaller and smaller where it's medical data,

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and embedded devices and wearable devices and when this

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happens, and we're collecting more and more data, what's enough?

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You know?

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How can we make that data intelligently talk to each other?

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You know, home automation, devices within home automation,

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not being able to control those.

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At what point do we get control back?

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Well, it's when the market demands it.

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It's when somebody puts something um on a crowd funding site

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to get funding to create something that's open source.

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I'm saying, let's make everything open, right?

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It's not about this initiative with government

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to make open government.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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They are just opening up more of our data.

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That's not beneficial to us necessarily.

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The corporations I'm sure are loving it.

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But it's not for us.

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When I say open, I mean control your date first.

503
00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:55,334
Own your data first.

504
00:27:55,918 --> 00:27:57,459
Then share it.

505
00:27:57,459 --> 00:27:58,667
Then open it.

506
00:27:58,667 --> 00:27:59,667
Right?

507
00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:00,999
Then give it to who you want.

508
00:28:00,999 --> 00:28:04,375
Because I for one am willing to share everything

509
00:28:04,375 --> 00:28:10,334
about myself anonymously to research groups, who are trying

510
00:28:10,334 --> 00:28:15,999
to solve big problems, like cancer, diabetes.

511
00:28:16,334 --> 00:28:21,083
Let's I'm willing to tell people what I eat, what my and what my pulse

512
00:28:21,083 --> 00:28:25,501
is at any given time, all of my vitals anonymously.

513
00:28:25,751 --> 00:28:28,667
Imagine what that graph looks like.

514
00:28:29,792 --> 00:28:32,999
That's what we will be dealing with in a few years.

515
00:28:32,999 --> 00:28:34,999
This is not something that's not coming.

516
00:28:35,542 --> 00:28:37,292
This is certainly coming.

517
00:28:37,334 --> 00:28:40,751
So all I want to do is look out there and say, how are we going

518
00:28:40,751 --> 00:28:43,792
to manage this when we get there?

519
00:28:43,792 --> 00:28:45,999
How will we manage this amount of data?

520
00:28:46,083 --> 00:28:50,999
How do we take our attention and intention and start to use it

521
00:28:50,999 --> 00:28:55,501
in a way that benefits us instead of them?

522
00:28:55,999 --> 00:28:58,999
And I believe if we put options in front of people,

523
00:28:58,999 --> 00:29:03,751
who know what these things are that I'm talking about, again, this

524
00:29:03,751 --> 00:29:08,792
is very little education to take back to your loved ones.

525
00:29:08,959 --> 00:29:10,125
Four data types.

526
00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:12,876
Why are we sharing so much with so many different people when we

527
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,501
only have four things we share?

528
00:29:15,501 --> 00:29:17,999
Why don't I have one application for pictures?

529
00:29:18,999 --> 00:29:21,792
And then the three tenses, to actually think, what

530
00:29:21,792 --> 00:29:24,999
is this data that we are talking about.

531
00:29:25,292 --> 00:29:28,999
Why do we think of video images, audio and text,

532
00:29:28,999 --> 00:29:34,083
and why done we think about attention and intention.

533
00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:36,834
Where is the privacy policy talk on that.

534
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:41,999
If we focus on growing something that can manage

535
00:29:41,999 --> 00:29:46,918
your attention and your intention, through data ownership, such

536
00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:50,626
as a personal cloud, then what you do is you have

537
00:29:50,626 --> 00:29:54,709
the power of your data at your disposal.

538
00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:57,999
You can run applications within your own personal cloud,

539
00:29:57,999 --> 00:30:01,209
not let anything out, you know, these are again,

540
00:30:01,209 --> 00:30:04,250
smartphone adoption five years.

541
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:06,083
We can do the same thing we did with smartphones, we can do

542
00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:08,083
with personal clouds.

543
00:30:08,083 --> 00:30:09,584
We have the technology.

544
00:30:09,584 --> 00:30:10,584
It's available.

545
00:30:10,584 --> 00:30:11,584
You know?

546
00:30:11,584 --> 00:30:14,542
So what I'm trying to do is get people behind this movement,

547
00:30:14,542 --> 00:30:18,125
get people at Made Open talking about this.

548
00:30:18,125 --> 00:30:19,999
I'm going to be much more active leading

549
00:30:19,999 --> 00:30:23,626
up to this, I have been doing a lot of work.

550
00:30:23,626 --> 00:30:27,167
So I haven't been as active on that and the Twitter account but it's

551
00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:31,083
at MadeOpen.com or at Made Open and what better than using

552
00:30:31,083 --> 00:30:34,959
the social networks to their own demise.

553
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:38,459
Let's organize through the resources we have

554
00:30:38,459 --> 00:30:45,751
and organize the slow, dismantling of these corporations, right?

555
00:30:45,751 --> 00:30:48,999
So that we as people can step out and live our lives and not have

556
00:30:48,999 --> 00:30:53,292
to deal with these measures, these unnatural pressures that we deal

557
00:30:53,292 --> 00:30:57,292
with, that make people break, that create this overpopulation

558
00:30:57,292 --> 00:30:59,250
in our prisons.

559
00:30:59,999 --> 00:31:04,542
And let's fix the efficiencies of these corporations, you know,

560
00:31:04,542 --> 00:31:08,083
that over population of prisons is a great example

561
00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:11,709
of where corporations and governments is a system

562
00:31:11,709 --> 00:31:15,459
not only failed but they leave you believing how this

563
00:31:15,459 --> 00:31:17,667
happened, right?

564
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:22,250
How was it that we have a system, a penal system where we incarcerate

565
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:25,918
people and it's not profitable.

566
00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:27,584
So the market can't take care of it.

567
00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:29,999
So government comes in and says we will take care of it,

568
00:31:29,999 --> 00:31:33,792
and at some point, government says, we can't do this as efficiently

569
00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:37,292
as a corporation, so let the corporation do it.

570
00:31:37,292 --> 00:31:42,999
So something that wasn't profitable, all of a sudden became profitable.

571
00:31:43,999 --> 00:31:47,959
That's not even in my mind, it's not even possible.

572
00:31:47,959 --> 00:31:49,959
Something happened, right?

573
00:31:49,959 --> 00:31:51,792
Some numbers were changed.

574
00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:52,999
Something happened.

575
00:31:52,999 --> 00:31:55,125
And this is happening all around us.

576
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:57,709
You don't need to look far to get an example.

577
00:32:08,334 --> 00:32:10,250
So the personal cloud.

578
00:32:11,542 --> 00:32:15,834
There's a group at that meets out in Mountainview, California,

579
00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:19,999
called IIW and there's a big group of people that are working

580
00:32:19,999 --> 00:32:24,999
on this personal cloud, and I would, you know, implore you to take a look

581
00:32:24,999 --> 00:32:29,083
at what they are doing, search about personal clouds and start

582
00:32:29,083 --> 00:32:32,999
to become active members of this new community that we're

583
00:32:32,999 --> 00:32:36,209
starting to form, where we're actually concerned

584
00:32:36,209 --> 00:32:38,999
about where we are going.

585
00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:41,959
And that's what Made Open is.

586
00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:46,751
So I don't really have too much more that I have prepared to say.

587
00:32:46,751 --> 00:32:49,584
So I would like questions and feedback.

588
00:32:50,083 --> 00:32:52,918
That's what I would really like to open it up and do.

589
00:32:54,999 --> 00:32:56,417
Anybody?

590
00:32:56,751 --> 00:32:58,751
Yes, sir?

591
00:32:58,999 --> 00:33:02,501
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).

592
00:33:02,834 --> 00:33:05,792
TODD BONNEWELL: Well, I'm just one person.

593
00:33:06,083 --> 00:33:09,959
If you think about I mean, technically, I don't know if you are a developer

594
00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:11,999
or not, sir, but the question was how much

595
00:33:11,999 --> 00:33:14,542
of this personal cloud is done?

596
00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:16,999
And there's a bunch of people working on it.

597
00:33:16,999 --> 00:33:19,999
They have been working on it for six or seven years at IIW.

598
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:25,125
The interesting thing when you sit in these sessions,

599
00:33:25,125 --> 00:33:30,167
you can tell it's they're guided by principles that you are happy

600
00:33:30,167 --> 00:33:34,667
to hear about, right, liberating people's data but almost

601
00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:37,584
the next questions out of their mouths

602
00:33:37,584 --> 00:33:40,375
is how do we make money?

603
00:33:40,751 --> 00:33:44,626
And that's where it's lost on somebody.

604
00:33:44,626 --> 00:33:48,083
That's where you can't make progress because you are still trying to figure

605
00:33:48,083 --> 00:33:52,125
out how do we give this personal cloud to somebody in its entirety so

606
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:56,083
they can own their data, yet we still control it.

607
00:33:56,999 --> 00:33:58,334
And you can't.

608
00:33:58,334 --> 00:34:00,209
And it doesn't fit a business.

609
00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:01,999
It's not today fit a business model.

610
00:34:01,999 --> 00:34:03,125
This is for the people.

611
00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:04,125
Right?

612
00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:05,834
This is something we need several open source versions

613
00:34:05,834 --> 00:34:10,709
of personal clouds where people are working on a platform, to do this.

614
00:34:10,709 --> 00:34:14,584
And it doesn't take a lot to create a simple personal cloud.

615
00:34:14,584 --> 00:34:16,876
If you look at what you know, AWS, for example, what

616
00:34:16,876 --> 00:34:19,584
they are giving us is tools.

617
00:34:19,999 --> 00:34:23,417
Now, the setup process isn't easy but this is what we are used to.

618
00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:24,999
This is you know, we can't just tell people, here,

619
00:34:24,999 --> 00:34:26,999
install this software.

620
00:34:26,999 --> 00:34:30,542
Go to AWS, set up an account and here's how you upload.

621
00:34:30,999 --> 00:34:33,999
Here's how you manage your settings and all of that.

622
00:34:33,999 --> 00:34:35,083
It's not going to work.

623
00:34:35,083 --> 00:34:36,876
That's not a commercial product.

624
00:34:36,876 --> 00:34:37,999
We need to create a commercial product,

625
00:34:37,999 --> 00:34:40,125
but that always starts here.

626
00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:43,709
You know, what is Dropbox, but FTP, right?

627
00:34:43,709 --> 00:34:45,918
We do these things over and over and over again,

628
00:34:45,918 --> 00:34:50,959
until the point when one of us figures out to make money with it.

629
00:34:50,959 --> 00:34:54,292
It's always simplifying so the user can manage it.

630
00:34:54,999 --> 00:34:58,209
We need to grab on to this thing called a personal cloud.

631
00:34:58,501 --> 00:35:00,834
I'm sure a lot of people are already doing something

632
00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:05,083
similar to it, but the point is to share, how are you protecting your data?

633
00:35:05,083 --> 00:35:06,834
How are you encrypting it?

634
00:35:06,834 --> 00:35:08,792
What level of privacy can we expect when it

635
00:35:08,792 --> 00:35:13,209
ultimately gets to somewhere else, when we decide that we don't you know

636
00:35:13,209 --> 00:35:15,999
when I make the decision that I don't need

637
00:35:15,999 --> 00:35:20,083
to own my data the same way that somebody else does.

638
00:35:20,083 --> 00:35:21,999
You know, and I'm willing to say, okay, you know what,

639
00:35:21,999 --> 00:35:25,542
Amazon can have that and I'm not going to encrypt it.

640
00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:26,876
It is not that important.

641
00:35:26,876 --> 00:35:30,876
Or I encrypt it and lock it in a closet in my house.

642
00:35:30,876 --> 00:35:31,876
Right?

643
00:35:31,876 --> 00:35:32,876
But it's up to you.

644
00:35:32,876 --> 00:35:34,999
Your personal cloud is your personal cloud.

645
00:35:34,999 --> 00:35:35,999
It's your data.

646
00:35:35,999 --> 00:35:37,999
And so to answer your question, there's it's there's progress,

647
00:35:37,999 --> 00:35:41,918
but it's more important that just like with a personal computer, it's

648
00:35:41,918 --> 00:35:45,083
like there's a computer and it's in a room, and it's huge,

649
00:35:45,083 --> 00:35:47,792
and now it's many our pocket.

650
00:35:47,792 --> 00:35:50,083
You know, the same thing with a personal cloud.

651
00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:51,083
The idea is huge.

652
00:35:51,501 --> 00:35:52,876
We're doing it, though.

653
00:35:52,876 --> 00:35:54,334
You know, this is it's not new.

654
00:35:54,334 --> 00:35:57,584
So the idea is to take that and put it in our pocket.

655
00:36:03,083 --> 00:36:06,459
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible question)    TODD BONNEWELL:

656
00:36:06,459 --> 00:36:10,542
When you look at these products, you want to look at what the limations,

657
00:36:10,542 --> 00:36:13,999
who is owning your data and move from there.

658
00:36:13,999 --> 00:36:16,334
They will put putting all of our data in one place, this

659
00:36:16,334 --> 00:36:21,751
is where we are going as a people, like, we need to get our data in one place.

660
00:36:21,751 --> 00:36:24,501
The question is: Who are we going to trust with it?

661
00:36:24,501 --> 00:36:27,459
AUDIENCE MEMBER: There are products like home cloud and spider

662
00:36:27,459 --> 00:36:29,250
is more secure.

663
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:31,999
We understand what they are doing but it's important

664
00:36:31,999 --> 00:36:36,834
to understand that there's more than just personal data.

665
00:36:36,834 --> 00:36:39,292
There's data that rainfall data, pollution data.

666
00:36:39,292 --> 00:36:44,125
So we don't own that and that's okay.

667
00:36:49,999 --> 00:36:51,167
So we've got to be able to use that data and this

668
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:53,292
is where big data products are coming in.

669
00:36:53,292 --> 00:36:54,417
There is public utility right now it's just been used, you know

670
00:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,999
to sell more products and there are companies like spelunk that are using it

671
00:36:56,999 --> 00:36:58,501
to send us ads.

672
00:36:58,501 --> 00:37:07,083
I appreciate what you are saying with personal data.

673
00:37:07,083 --> 00:37:08,542
There's a lot more than that.

674
00:37:08,542 --> 00:37:12,709
For example, if I die, many I data I no longer can set rules

675
00:37:12,709 --> 00:37:16,999
for it, but that's history, right?

676
00:37:16,999 --> 00:37:19,250
We need to figure out ways to mine historical data, personal data,

677
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:21,999
social data, in ways using the new technologies that are

678
00:37:21,999 --> 00:37:23,542
coming out.

679
00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:24,792
TODD BONNEWELL: Yep.

680
00:37:24,792 --> 00:37:25,584
AUDIENCE MEMBER: To get somewhere and we need

681
00:37:25,584 --> 00:37:27,959
to have efficiencies.

682
00:37:28,125 --> 00:37:31,501
TODD BONNEWELL: Right.

683
00:37:31,501 --> 00:37:36,083
So if I can sum that question up, touched on there being public data that

684
00:37:36,083 --> 00:37:41,999
we need to think about and I agree, that it's not all personal, but ultimately,

685
00:37:41,999 --> 00:37:44,792
it's collected by people.

686
00:37:44,999 --> 00:37:47,959
So there was that, and then can you sum

687
00:37:47,959 --> 00:37:51,083
up the second part, I'm sorry?

688
00:37:51,083 --> 00:37:52,083
Can you sum it up?

689
00:37:52,083 --> 00:37:57,459
AUDIENCE MEMBER: I was saying, in addition, there's also data that comes

690
00:37:57,459 --> 00:38:03,999
that we as a society could use, such as pollution data, or rainfall data,

691
00:38:03,999 --> 00:38:08,584
and we've got to be there are now new technologies

692
00:38:08,584 --> 00:38:14,876
like hedging and map produce that try to make sense of it.

693
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:16,999
That static data is also with spelunk that is taking data

694
00:38:16,999 --> 00:38:19,501
in motion so when we use with our smartphones,

695
00:38:19,501 --> 00:38:23,959
it's using that traffic they are bidding on sending you an ad.

696
00:38:23,999 --> 00:38:26,501
TODD BONNEWELL: Right.

697
00:38:26,501 --> 00:38:27,501
Okay.

698
00:38:27,501 --> 00:38:29,125
AUDIENCE MEMBER: So they can use that and turn it

699
00:38:29,125 --> 00:38:33,876
around for the use of people to make owe site more efficient.

700
00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:37,626
I mean, people are doing that right now with with trying to map cancer.

701
00:38:37,626 --> 00:38:40,417
TODD BONNEWELL: So taking that data and making things more efficient

702
00:38:40,417 --> 00:38:42,709
through its use, right?

703
00:38:42,792 --> 00:38:48,292
Yeah, absolutely and that public data that exists out there, that's ours.

704
00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:51,417
You know, and that's it's really not ours right now.

705
00:38:51,417 --> 00:38:55,334
Like, it's not well, it is I mean, it is individual because where else

706
00:38:55,334 --> 00:38:59,459
is the weather or whatever relevant, but to me, where I am,

707
00:38:59,459 --> 00:39:02,751
or where I intend to be or where I know people

708
00:39:02,751 --> 00:39:06,125
to be that I'm interested in, right?

709
00:39:06,209 --> 00:39:09,501
It's all the personal you know, without people on this planet,

710
00:39:09,501 --> 00:39:13,584
the rainfall does not get, you know, calculated and, you know, like,

711
00:39:13,584 --> 00:39:16,999
historically saved and it is what it is.

712
00:39:19,709 --> 00:39:21,751
We have the intention to leave our house tomorrow

713
00:39:21,751 --> 00:39:23,626
if it's going to rain.

714
00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:27,167
But, you know, some of us don't care if it rains.

715
00:39:27,167 --> 00:39:32,834
So public data, again, it's what is necessary for you?

716
00:39:32,834 --> 00:39:35,167
And there's always that need for for us to have some kind of system,

717
00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:38,209
but, again, it's a system of the people.

718
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,834
You know, it's a system where you control that data,

719
00:39:40,834 --> 00:39:43,667
where you hold on to that and do what you see fit

720
00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:45,083
with it.

721
00:39:45,083 --> 00:39:46,584
You know, I believe we're owed these things just

722
00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:48,375
for being alive.

723
00:39:48,375 --> 00:39:51,834
What is more amazing than life on this planet.

724
00:39:51,999 --> 00:39:55,083
We are spinning on this rock, and we are fighting

725
00:39:55,083 --> 00:39:57,999
with each other over money.

726
00:39:58,334 --> 00:40:00,792
Like, all just things that we created.

727
00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:06,999
So, you know, just trying to organize some troops here.

728
00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:09,959
Any other questions?

729
00:40:11,999 --> 00:40:13,375
Good.

730
00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:17,083
All right.

731
00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:18,918
I appreciate your time.

732
00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:21,250
Thanks for having me at DEF CON.

733
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:23,584
It's been a great first time and I look forward to talking

734
00:40:23,584 --> 00:40:25,999
with you out in the hall.

735
00:40:25,999 --> 00:40:26,999
(Applause).

736
00:40:26,999 --> 00:40:27,999
Thank you.

737
00:40:27,999 --> 00:40:27,999
So to let everybody know, the schedule that is printed,

738
00:40:27,999 --> 00:40:28,999
totally wrong!

739
00:40:28,999 --> 00:40:28,999
If you want to know what is actually going on in most

740
00:40:28,999 --> 00:40:31,292
of the talk rooms, go to updates.DEFCON.org.

741
00:40:31,292 --> 00:40:31,292
And the next talk is "Combatting Mac OSX/IOS,"

742
00:40:31,292 --> 00:40:32,459
with Remy Baumgarten.